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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:05 pm    Post subject: Quick Ratio Steering Q... Reply with quote

Anything over 4 turns is a death trap Wink it might take some getting used
to, but faster is better, IMO. Right around 3, like Roger's is about right.

-----Original Message-----
From: mail-owner@broncofix.com [mailto:mail-owner@broncofix.com] On Behalf
Of Roger
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:38 PM
To: mail@broncofix.com
Subject: RE: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...

I'm running the 78-79 guts swap box. It's about 3 1/5 turn's. I like
it. It's quick but still works well on the freeway. I think anything
faster would be a hindrance on the highway.




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From: mail-owner@broncofix.com [mailto:mail-owner@broncofix.com] On
Behalf Of Marcus Marjama
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:15 PM
To: mail@broncofix.com; ebml@bronco.com
Subject: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...


Hey guys,

I've got a question for any of you guys who are running 'quick ratio'
steering boxes. At what point does the box become 'too quick' to be
drivable at freeway speeds? I know some of you guys are running boxes
that
are 3 turns lock to lock or less (like the Wild Horses 'quick ratio'
box).
How are these on the street? Do you have plenty of power assist off
road?

I recently drove my EB after having it in storage for probably the last
couple of years, and it's definitely time to change some things...it
sure
ain't no sports car!

Thanks!
Marcus


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:57 pm    Post subject: Quick Ratio Steering Q... Reply with quote

My buggy runs a single throw style ram (full hydraulic), and the orbital is
only a little over 2 turns lock to lock. It runs better down the road then
my EB!

Rotate the inner knuckles for 6 degree's of caster, and it will drive much
nicer!

Brian Wickert
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Marjama" <super_eb@hotmail.com>
To: <mail@broncofix.com>; <ebml@bronco.com>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:15 PM
Subject: [EBML] Quick Ratio Steering Q...


> Hey guys,
>
> I've got a question for any of you guys who are running 'quick ratio'
> steering boxes. At what point does the box become 'too quick' to be
> drivable at freeway speeds? I know some of you guys are running boxes
that
> are 3 turns lock to lock or less (like the Wild Horses 'quick ratio' box).
> How are these on the street? Do you have plenty of power assist off road?
>
> I recently drove my EB after having it in storage for probably the last
> couple of years, and it's definitely time to change some things...it sure
> ain't no sports car!
>
> Thanks!
> Marcus
>
>
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:12 am    Post subject: Quick Ratio Steering Q... Reply with quote

In an emergency maneuver, you WANT quick. If you don't like it, put the
stock steering wheel back on. If you still have the stocker on there, WTF
are you thinking Confused)



-----Original Message-----
From: mail-owner@broncofix.com [mailto:mail-owner@broncofix.com] On Behalf
Of Marcus Marjama
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:01 AM
To: ebml@bronco.com; mail@broncofix.com
Subject: RE: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...

That's kind of what I'm worried about...I know Wildhorses sells a kit that
is slightly less than 3 turns lock to lock, Tom's has a 3.1:1, and Duff
sells a 3-1/3:1 box, but it sure seems like that is going to be really quick

in an emergency type of manuver. I suppose it's possible that I'd get used
to it, but it's hard to say without trying it out.

The conversion I'm planning on trying is going to be slightly less than
3:1...maybe more like 2.75:1. If I don't like it or can't get used to it I
can always try something else. I'll keep ya'll posted...

Marcus

>From: TonyNokes@Freightliner.com
>To: roger@broncofix.com, mail@broncofix.com
>Subject: RE: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...
>Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:37:47 -0800
>
>I am with Roger on this; 3.5 or 4 turns is nice, much faster and your more
>likely to over steer and roll in an emergency maneuver. If your off road
>only maybe it doesn't matter, but it does on the highway...
>
>Tony
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roger [mailto:roger@broncofix.com]
>Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:38 PM
>To: mail@broncofix.com
>Subject: RE: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...
>
>
>I'm running the 78-79 guts swap box. It's about 3 1/5 turn's. I like
>it. It's quick but still works well on the freeway. I think anything
>faster would be a hindrance on the highway.
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mail-owner@broncofix.com [mailto:mail-owner@broncofix.com] On
>Behalf Of Marcus Marjama
>Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:15 PM
>To: mail@broncofix.com; ebml@bronco.com
>Subject: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...
>
>
>Hey guys,
>
>I've got a question for any of you guys who are running 'quick ratio'
>steering boxes. At what point does the box become 'too quick' to be
>drivable at freeway speeds? I know some of you guys are running boxes
>that
>are 3 turns lock to lock or less (like the Wild Horses 'quick ratio'
>box).
>How are these on the street? Do you have plenty of power assist off
>road?
>
>I recently drove my EB after having it in storage for probably the last
>couple of years, and it's definitely time to change some things...it
>sure
>ain't no sports car!
>
>Thanks!
>Marcus
>
>
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:22 pm    Post subject: Quick Ratio Steering Q... Reply with quote

But you don't want darty. The 3 turn boxes are too fast. I know this from
experience.

Scotty
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Christensen" <cat44@shaw.ca>
To: "'Marcus Marjama'" <super_eb@hotmail.com>; <ebml@bronco.com>;
<mail@broncofix.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...


> In an emergency maneuver, you WANT quick. If you don't like it, put the
> stock steering wheel back on. If you still have the stocker on there, WTF
> are you thinking Confused)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mail-owner@broncofix.com [mailto:mail-owner@broncofix.com] On Behalf
> Of Marcus Marjama
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:01 AM
> To: ebml@bronco.com; mail@broncofix.com
> Subject: RE: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...
>
> That's kind of what I'm worried about...I know Wildhorses sells a kit that
> is slightly less than 3 turns lock to lock, Tom's has a 3.1:1, and Duff
> sells a 3-1/3:1 box, but it sure seems like that is going to be really
quick
>
> in an emergency type of manuver. I suppose it's possible that I'd get
used
> to it, but it's hard to say without trying it out.
>
> The conversion I'm planning on trying is going to be slightly less than
> 3:1...maybe more like 2.75:1. If I don't like it or can't get used to it
I
> can always try something else. I'll keep ya'll posted...
>
> Marcus
>
> >From: TonyNokes@Freightliner.com
> >To: roger@broncofix.com, mail@broncofix.com
> >Subject: RE: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...
> >Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:37:47 -0800
> >
> >I am with Roger on this; 3.5 or 4 turns is nice, much faster and your
more
> >likely to over steer and roll in an emergency maneuver. If your off road
> >only maybe it doesn't matter, but it does on the highway...
> >
> >Tony
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Roger [mailto:roger@broncofix.com]
> >Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:38 PM
> >To: mail@broncofix.com
> >Subject: RE: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...
> >
> >
> >I'm running the 78-79 guts swap box. It's about 3 1/5 turn's. I like
> >it. It's quick but still works well on the freeway. I think anything
> >faster would be a hindrance on the highway.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: mail-owner@broncofix.com [mailto:mail-owner@broncofix.com] On
> >Behalf Of Marcus Marjama
> >Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:15 PM
> >To: mail@broncofix.com; ebml@bronco.com
> >Subject: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...
> >
> >
> >Hey guys,
> >
> >I've got a question for any of you guys who are running 'quick ratio'
> >steering boxes. At what point does the box become 'too quick' to be
> >drivable at freeway speeds? I know some of you guys are running boxes
> >that
> >are 3 turns lock to lock or less (like the Wild Horses 'quick ratio'
> >box).
> >How are these on the street? Do you have plenty of power assist off
> >road?
> >
> >I recently drove my EB after having it in storage for probably the last
> >couple of years, and it's definitely time to change some things...it
> >sure
> >ain't no sports car!
> >
> >Thanks!
> >Marcus
> >
> >
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:44 pm    Post subject: Quick Ratio Steering Q... Reply with quote

>You will have no power in the rocks with a locker up front.
 
Say what?  That's just not so.  I do lots of wheeling in rocks and have never not been able to turn my front tires because of my locker.  Now maybe I can't turn them because I am wedged between boulders, or maybe I can't make the turn because my tires are sliding in the mud, but I have always been able to turn the tires.

David VanderVelde
Ridgefield, WA
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From: Scotty (scotty@broncoholics.com)
To: Marcus Marjama (super_eb@hotmail.com) ; mail@broncofix.com (mail@broncofix.com)
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...


You will have no power in the rocks with a locker up front. Whatever you do,
don't buy the Duff box. Its a Nissan box with a machined sector shaft. I
broke two of the ears completely off the steering box 6mi into the Rubicon
trail this year.
http://www.broncoholics.com/support/files/scotty/20040805203255_PICT0283.JPG

It was the 2nd time I had broken the box. Its a POS in a wheeler. It also
land me on my side in a panic manuever:
http://www.broncoholics.com/support/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=272

I always had handling issues with that setup. It was way too tight. Since
then I installed an F150 4x4 4-turn box and am MUCH happier. Handling is
much better, and I almost have enough power to not have to go hydro assist.
For now it gets the job done. I'm not recommending that you get THAT box
though, since it does require a lot of fabrication to install. However,
Chuck's 4x4x2 box would be my recommendation unless the fab work doesn't
scare you at all.

If you decide on the Duff box, just be warned. And I can hook you up with a
way to save around $500 off his price and still get all new parts.

Scotty
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From: "Marcus Marjama" <super_eb@hotmail.com (super_eb@hotmail.com)>
To: <ebml@bronco.com (ebml@bronco.com)>; <mail@broncofix.com (mail@broncofix.com)>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:01 AM
Subject: RE: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...


> That's kind of what I'm worried about...I know Wildhorses sells a kit that
> is slightly less than 3 turns lock to lock, Tom's has a 3.1:1, and Duff
> sells a 3-1/3:1 box, but it sure seems like that is going to be really
quick
> in an emergency type of manuver.  I suppose it's possible that I'd get
used
> to it, but it's hard to say without trying it out.
>
> The conversion I'm planning on trying is going to be slightly less than
> 3:1...maybe more like 2.75:1.  If I don't like it or can't get used to it
I
> can always try something else.  I'll keep ya'll posted...
>
> Marcus
>
> >From: TonyNokes@Freightliner.com (tonynokes@freightliner.com)
> >To: roger@broncofix.com (roger@broncofix.com), mail@broncofix.com (mail@broncofix.com)
> >Subject: RE: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...
> >Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:37:47 -0800
> >
> >I am with Roger on this; 3.5 or 4 turns is nice, much faster and your
more
> >likely to over steer and roll in an emergency maneuver. If your off road
> >only maybe it doesn't matter, but it does on the highway...
> >
> >Tony
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Roger [mailto:roger@broncofix.com]
> >Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:38 PM
> >To: mail@broncofix.com (mail@broncofix.com)
> >Subject: RE: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...
> >
> >
> >I'm running the 78-79 guts swap box.  It's about 3 1/5 turn's.  I like
> >it.  It's quick but still works well on the freeway.  I think anything
> >faster would be a hindrance on the highway.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: mail-owner@broncofix.com (mail-owner@broncofix.com) [mailto:mail-owner@broncofix.com] On
> >Behalf Of Marcus Marjama
> >Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:15 PM
> >To: mail@broncofix.com (mail@broncofix.com); ebml@bronco.com (ebml@bronco.com)
> >Subject: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...
> >
> >
> >Hey guys,
> >
> >I've got a question for any of you guys who are running 'quick ratio'
> >steering boxes.  At what point does the box become 'too quick' to be
> >drivable at freeway speeds?  I know some of you guys are running boxes
> >that
> >are 3 turns lock to lock or less (like the Wild Horses 'quick ratio'
> >box).
> >How are these on the street?  Do you have plenty of power assist off
> >road?
> >
> >I recently drove my EB after having it in storage for probably the last
> >couple of years, and it's definitely time to change some things...it
> >sure
> >ain't no sports car!
> >
> >Thanks!
> >Marcus
> >
> >
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:58 pm    Post subject: Quick Ratio Steering Q... Reply with quote

No, not me.
I am running a Bronco box upgraded to 3.25 turns and a stock Ford pump and
have no problem turning the wheels. I hear the Saginaw pump is better and I
might upgrade if I ever install the hydro assist but for now it works great.
One correction, my box is a 75 Bronco gearbox, was about 6 turns now 3.25
turns. I have the Performance Unlimited steering system, do lots of
wheeling and drive the Bronco to all my wheeling trips. I love the setup on
and off road.

Now for the steering box brace. I would say either do that or box the
frame. My frame was collapsing under the steering box and I had to totally
box it in. Now my frame is starting to collapse under the drag link
connection.

David VanderVelde
Ridgefield, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: eric blades
To: David V.V.
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...


So are u guys saying if i get the west texas 3.5 turn or the agr box that
it wont be enough with a hi-po pump? Is the 73 bronco box not as good as the
76 box? Thought the only difference was the amount of turns and that it
turns different because of the way the tie rods are? Is this setup going to
be good enough to drive the street and climb rocks sometimes and mud alot? I
have a rear locker and limited slip front and 33's right now but im going to
go to 36's. Also on the tie rod over steering kit that wild horses offers
with the heim joints will it work good on an all around rig that sees alot
of street driving? and is the steering box brace weld on worth buying?

Thanks,
Eric

"David V.V." <dwaynevv@ispwest.com> wrote:
Maybe that's the difference, the locker. Mine is a Dana Power-Lok,
which is actually a limited slip, but it locks up so tight that I forget to
think of it as a limited slip. My gear box is a Bronco 76/77 box upgraded
by West Texas to 3.25 turn. I run 35" tires and a Detroit locker in the
rear with 5.5" lift and my Bronco handles great on the road.

My biggest problem I have had with power steering is keeping the belt
tight enough. I suppose that is also related to the amount of tire I am
turning and the locker binding it more that open diffs. So yes, I guess you
are correct that lockers might not allow the wheels to turn in rocks.

David VanderVelde
Ridgefield, WA
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From: Scotty
To: David V.V. ; mail@broncofix.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...


What kind of locker and steering box are you running? Its been my
experience with my old 3 turn box that I had no power in the rocks when the
locker was engaged. This is not just on this vehicle, but on both of my old
Jeeps as well. When the locker engages the steering will bind.

The 3turn boxes use smaller gears to get the quicker ratio, and
therefore, don't have as much power as say a four turn box when turning them
off-road. Especially, a pretty small Toyota or Nissan steering box.

Still, any box will bind when the locker gets bound up. Even an ARB.
Have you ever had to rock the vehicle back and forth to get the steering to
unbind so you can turn through the engaged locker? I know I have on just
about every wheeling trip I've been on with all of my rigs. That is why a
lot of guy eventually go to hydro assist or full hydro steering.

Scotty
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:27 pm    Post subject: Quick Ratio Steering Q... Reply with quote

Right On,

Brian Wickert
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Scotty" <scotty@broncoholics.com>
To: "Brian Wickert" <bwickert@sti.net>
Cc: "EBE List" <mail@broncofix.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...


> I'm on it. After this winter(wheeling season for us), it going into to get
> ported along with a PSC ram assist. I already have the brackets ready to
go
> on the tie-rod and axle.
>
> Scotty
> www.broncoholics.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Wickert" <bwickert@sti.net>
> To: "Scotty" <scotty@broncoholics.com>
> Cc: "EBE List" <mail@broncofix.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 3:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...
>
>
> > There are certainly alot of HANDLING variables to contend with, and I
> really
> > feel your pain! Track bar, track bar attachments, tierod play, ball
joint
> > play, steering box play, steering box mount play, alignment,
> tires......Then
> > add the 92" short wheel base.
> >
> > I agree that those boxes without ram assist are probably not the best
> > choices for a rock crawler, but I don't believe any box alone is. Rocks
> or
> > deep snow and mud, definitely get the box ported for RAM ASSIST. Some
day
> > you'll wish you had it!
> >
> > Brian Wickert
> > Hanford, CA 93230
> > My pics: http://www.vintagebronco.com/bwickert/
> >
> >
>

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:10 pm    Post subject: Quick Ratio Steering Q... Reply with quote

I am using the Toyota IFS box.  It drives better than my 89 F150 - a lot better.  I think it is noticeably better than when I had the F150 "big" box, and prior to the the older EB power steering box.  To be fair, I have changed a lot of other elements as well.  But, as I consider moving my front axle forward, instead of going to a F150 4X4 box with the pitman arm to the front, I will probably just move the Toyota box forward (more difficult - still haven't decided).
Definitely a conversion worth consideration.
Shane

Scotty <scotty@broncoholics.com> wrote:
Quote:
You will have no power in the rocks with a locker up front. Whatever you do,
don't buy the Duff box. Its a Nissan box with a machined sector shaft. I
broke two of the ears completely off the steering box 6mi into the Rubicon
trail this year.
http://www.broncoholics.com/support/files/scotty/20040805203255_PICT0283.JPG

It was the 2nd time I had broken the box. Its a POS in a wheeler. It also
land me on my side in a panic manuever:
http://www.broncoholics.com/support/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=272

I always had handling issues with that setup. It was way too tight. Since
then I installed an F150 4x4 4-turn box and am MUCH happier. Handling is
much better, and I almost have enough power to not have to go hydro assist.
For now it gets the job done. I'm not recommending that you get THAT box
though, since it does require a lot of fabrication to install. However,
Chuck's 4x4x2 box would be my recommendation unless the fab work doesn't
scare you at all.

If you decide on the Duff box, just be warned. And I can hook you up with a
way to save around $500 off his price and still get all new parts.

Scotty
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Marjama"
To: ;
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:01 AM
Subject: RE: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...


> That's kind of what I'm worried about...I know Wildhorses sells a kit that
> is slightly less than 3 turns lock to lock, Tom's has a 3.1:1, and Duff
> sells a 3-1/3:1 box, but it sure seems like that is going to be really
quick
> in an emergency type of manuver. I suppose it's possible that I'd get
used
> to it, but it's hard to say without trying it out.
>
> The conversion I'm planning on trying is going to be slightly less than
> 3:1...maybe more like 2.75:1. If I don't like it or can't get used to it
I
> can always try something else. I'll keep ya'll posted...
>
> Marcus
>
> >From: TonyNokes@Freightliner.com
> >To: roger@broncofix.com, mail@broncofix.com
> >Subject: RE: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...
> >Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:37:47 -0800
> >
> >I am with Roger on this; 3.5 or 4 turns is nice, much faster and your
more
> >likely to over steer and roll in an emergency maneuver. If your off road
> >only maybe it doesn't matter, but it does on the highway...
> >
> >Tony
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Roger [mailto:roger@broncofix.com]
> >Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:38 PM
> >To: mail@broncofix.com
> >Subject: RE: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...
> >
> >
> >I'm running the 78-79 guts swap box. It's about 3 1/5 turn's. I like
> >it. It's quick but still works well on the freeway. I think anything
> >faster would be a hindrance on the highway.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: mail-owner@broncofix.com [mailto:mail-owner@broncofix.com] On
> >Behalf Of Marcus Marjama
> >Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:15 PM
> >To: mail@broncofix.com; ebml@bronco.com
> >Subject: [Bfix] Quick Ratio Steering Q...
> >
> >
> >Hey guys,
> >
> >I've got a question for any of you guys who are running 'quick ratio'
> >steering boxes. At what point does the box become 'too quick' to be
> >drivable at freeway speeds? I know some of you guys are running boxes
> >that
> >are 3 turns lock to lock or less (like the Wild Horses 'quick ratio'
> >box).
> >How are these on the street? Do you have plenty of power assist off
> >road?
> >
> >I recently drove my EB after having it in storage for probably the last
> >couple of years, and it's definitely time to change some things...it
> >sure
> >ain't no sports car!
> >
> >Thanks!
> >Marcus
> >
> >
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